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- To: All Oct3093 01:16PM Subject: $10,000 offer +quot;Dr.+quot; Kent Hovind (doctorate in e
- +quot;The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can
- Subject: Re: Voyagers on the Ark of Noah Actually, at least in multicellular organisms (i.
- Public message 3283 SCIENCE Area 19:51 Wednesday 4Sep91 To: MIKE DAVEY Re: EARTH'S MAGNETI
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- To: All Msg #111, Sep0593 11:15AM Subject: Re: A FEW FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS CONCLUSION: Any
- To: All Msg #271, May0593 12:42PM Subject: Teaching macroevolution (sic) Bill Rawlins (wpr
- To: All Msg #69, Apr2093 10:25AM Subject: abiogenesis questions from J. Thomas In article
- To: All Msg #192, Apr0993 11:26PM Subject: Re: Albert Sabin In article 1prtl8INN2o0@ctronn
- To: All Msg #146, Sep0293 10:28PM Subject: The Abiogenesis MiniFAQ Abiogenesis. What is ab
- Date: Thu Nov 26 1992 08:59:52 To: Richard Rearden Subj: abiogenesis Attr: science Rick, e
- To: All Msg #23, Apr0393 11:02AM Subject: theories of abrupt appearance Recently, a 'theor
- American Evolution Teacher Once upon a time, creationists were able to publish articles ex
- Abuses of Biology +quot;The realm of nature is so vast,+quot; writes Howard L. Kaye (Socio
- Date: 25 Mar 94 16:58:30 To: All Subject: Views of Adam In response to the assertion that
- +quot;Science and Creationism,+quot; the chapter +quot;Repealing the Enlightenment+quot; C
- 920728 Counting Your Failed Simulations Before They've Crashed A.E. Wilder Smith, in +quot
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- FollowupTo: sci.archaeology I haven't yet got hold of the current Science issue, but today
- +quot;I can't believe *that*!+quot; said Alice. +quot;Can't you?+quot; the Queen said in a
- To: All 940603 23:%:02 Subject: Allegro non Tropo For anyone who's interested, you might l
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- all +quot;Just a theory+quot; nonsense From Steve Geller, Internet: I get very annoyed at
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- Forwarded (from: COMP.ORG.EFF.TALK) by Jan Maaskant using timEd. Originally from H Keith H
- On Friday, September 25, The Washington Post printed a story on Page A3 entitled +quot;Ent
- Number: 207 (Read 0 times) Date: 25 Mar 94 18:43:42 To: All Subject: Complexity, Amino Aci
- To: Ron Stringfellow Msg #133, 08Mar93 08:48am Subject: Monkeys RS We're not the ones tryi
- This is on +quot;Sam Hinton Sings the Song of Men (All Sorts and Kinds)+quot;, Folkway Rec
- Subject: Creationist Anagrams Subject: creationistrelated anagrams Date: 14 Apr 1994 01:17
- On Monday, September 7, The Washington Post ran a story on the bee. It's on Page A2 in the
- In article 2bra64$jab@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu gwinward@bcm.tmc.edu (Georgia L. Winward) writes
- USENET article on sauropod dinosaurs . There exists a dilemma in the study of the large an
- alanf@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Alan M Feuerbacher) Many creationists believe that animals lived
- : Why are males considered nonreproductive individuals? Oh, goody! This gets down to the c
- To: All Msg #111, Jan1193 07:07AM Subject: Worlds in confusion Ia. ~s Worlds in Collision/
- Marilyn Burge To: Martin Goldberg On (01 May 93) Martin Goldberg wrote to Ron Stringfellow
- DEFINT AZ '' ' Program ANTY.BAS by David Rice, based upon the article in ' ' July 1994 Sci
- THE ANTIEVOLUTION GAME by Dr Pepper Here's an opportunity to see how good you are at refut
- The +quot;Anthrophic Argument+quot; is a special case of the +quot;Design Argument+quot; (
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- To: All Msg #11, Apr0293 06:00PM Subject: Re: Evolution battle continues. In article 1993A
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- Chris Colby Herb Huston Brett J. Vickers HH There's a minority view that holds that the di
- Check this out. Here is the verbatim text of a letter to the editor in today's (Sat. Nov.
- To: All Msg #13, Nov0793 03:42PM Subject: Re: Request for Summary Aquatic Ape Theory Follo
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- Archaeopteryx Controversy Was Archaeopteryx a fraud? Yes, says Fred Hoyle and colleagues;
- Date: 06 Apr 94 01:58:48 To: All Subject: HA! Re: Archaebacteria and the Three Kingdoms On
- Durant, John. +quot;It's a Fake! It's Genuine!You Decide+quot; [Review of] The Feathers Fl
- Julie Thomas Archaeopteryx always makes for good origins fodder. Here is a fossil which ce
- Dickson, David. +quot;Feathers Still Fly in Row over Fossil Bird+quot; Science 238: 475476
- To : Arthur Biele Subj: Transitions AB [Originally, Archeopteryx] was considered a reptile
- Marty Leipzig The Berlin Specimen, the Eichstatt Specimen, the British Specimen; plus thre
- Weissmann, Gerald. +quot;The Argument from Design+quot; [Review in] The Scientist, 21 Sept
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- The following is from Bible Studies Magazine, published by Evangelical Ministries, Inc, Ph
- Subject: Re: Noah and his lil' ark I thought the following would make interesting reading.
- So the answers to the earlier questions are that both Jammal and LeRue are liars. Morris i
- LONG BEACH MAN ADMITS ARK HOAX Television: The outofwork actor who claimed on a CBS specia
- George Jammal confessed to being a hoaxer on October 23 at the Freedom From Religion Found
- Date: 12 Apr 94 16:00:17 To: All Subject: Ark Hoax Update The following has been submitted
- ARKathon II and ARK EXPO January 29,30 and 31, 1993 Monarch Motor Hotel Portland, Oregon N
- From the front page of the Sept 93 +quot;Freethought Today+quot; Jammal To Speak at FFRF C
- dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) Well, let's see. There are about 400,000 species
- To : Bob Bloodgood Subj: ice here is a quick list of a few of the problems with the astral
- Subject: Astronomy and Origins Topics: } Helmholtz's contraction theory says the sun is 2
- Oxygen isotope ratios (O18 to O16) in both ice cores and cores taken from the sea bottom r
- To: All Msg #47, Aug2393 03:00PM Subject: Re: AthenaVenusAphrodite In article 25aa52$ql5@b
- To: All Nov1793 03:47PM Subject: Special Theory of Bureaucratic Creation Proposed by Mark
- To : Matt Giwer Subj: THEORY OF CREATION * On 06151994, Matt Giwer wrote to Joe Morlan * J
- Genetic information can move among bacteria in three ways. First, some bacteria seem able
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- From Bob Bales I've been absent from this group for much longer than I intended. Some may
- To: All Msg #51, Aug0193 11:01AM Subject: Bambi and Evolution In an article that has expir
- Barnes and the Earth's magnetic field Here is a copy of the post I put up when the questio
- Science News, May 28, 1994, page 349, reports: Tricks to make DNA beget DNA For scientists
- Area: Evolution Msg: #284 Date: 101994 14:15 (Public) To: ARTHUR BIELE Subject: Our +quot;
- . +quot;Abiogenesis/chemical evolution hypotheses take more faith to believe in than the p
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- I've always found it interesting that those who oppose evolutionary biology in theory neve
- The following is from the Creation/Evolution journal, Issue XVII (Vol. 6, No. 1) pp. 15 +q
- James J. Lippard Jun1593 11:30AM Gish and the bullfrog One of the most serious criticisms
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- Since the debate on education is heating up, here's a bibliography that some might find of
- A Short, Selective, and Provisional GA, Evolution, and Artificial Life Bibliography for di
- From : LARRY SITES To : ARTHUR BIELE RCVD Subj : TRANSITIONS, PART 8. ARTHUR BIELE to ALL
- To : ALL Subj: Biele pegged again From an InterNet talk.origins post by Chris Nedin: Origi
- To : Arthur Biele Subj: All of this, 'eh? My, my, my, Art. Either you have an inordinate a
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- Rapid developments in biology over the past two decades have spawned many scientific, mora
- BIOMURFFS The program is designed to demonstrate how a succession of small changes, when s
- To: All Msg #138, Jun1593 11:47AM Subject: talk.origins evolution FYI I'm going to post my
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- To: Ron Stringfellow Oct2993 18:09:24 Subject: Mammallike reptiles Ron Stringfellow, dream
- To: All Nov1693 07:05PM Subject: Re: More Aquatic Ape Hypothesis The proponents of the AAH
- Rob Fargher GT I do not see such a problem the only difference between bird and GT other v
- Bird article on cosmology rebuffed: Cross posted from talk.origins / USENET Article by Bil
- An Active God (was: Teaching macroevolution) (Seth L. Kroger) writes: but [creationists] e
- I must preface this by saying that as of now I cannot reply directly via posting which may
- The Blind Watchmaker Dawkins, Richard. The Blind Watchmaker. New York, W.W. Norton, 1986,
- Creator or Blind Watchmaker? lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Johnson se
- Tag: David Dixon The following is a reprint of a section of a book entittled +quot;The Phi
- ACCORD MAY BE NEAR ON JESUS' PICTURE AT SCHOOL Detroit News, 11/16/93 LANSING Lawyers argu
- From +quot;Sunday Times+quot; Perth Western Australia, Sunday, January 30th, 1994. Excavat
- To: Deborah Franks Msg #185, 930308 23:32:20 Subject: Re: Scientific Creationi In a msg on
- To: All Msg #125, Feb0593 07:26PM Subject: Expanded Kalki FAQ (was: FAQ) In article Dy0eyB
- I've been reading Science and Creationism (edited by Ashley Montagu) lately, and came acro
- FEARFULLY AND WONDERFULLY MADE BONES: A STUDY IN DESIGN by Dr. David N. Menton I have ofte
- Take a femur for example. Most everyone knows that long skeletal bones are hollow, with sp
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- A mini book review The Book of Life Stephen Jay Gould, General Editor 1993, Random House A
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- To: All Msg #20, Jul2292 11:16PM Subject: Brain / Computer When I was younger I thought th
- +quot;Brains are wonderful things. Speaking from the admittedly biased point of view of a
- dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius A. Lecointe) writes: Is there *anyone* who can *brief
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- B U G S (Carnivorous Mutating Tribbles From Hell) Version 2.0 31 Jul 89 Alpha Chi Rho Prog
- It would seem your opponent in the good old creationism/evolution debate has gotten a litt
- Preservation of the mammoth remains was somewhat different than has been imagined by the u
- Phillip E. Johnson June 29, 1992 The Religion of the Blind Watchmaker [Stephen Jay Gould p
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- To: All Rcvd: NO Re: Nonequilibrium Radiocarbo Status: Public I got the following info fro
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- C A L L F O R P A P E R S for Second International Conference on Creationism July 30 Augus
- To: All Msg #66, Feb1793 12:40AM Subject: +quot;Evolution and Creation+quot; seminar at Ca
- Subject: Re: Canopy Theory (Leslie Walker, please note) Date: 12 Nov 91 16:07:06 GMT In ar
- TB As far as the water canopy goes, I will have to post a theory on TB how a liquid canopy
- Two papers which examine this are: M. L. Keith + G. M. Anderson, +quot;Radiocarbon dating:
- In article 161123@netnews.upenn.edu Matthew P Wiener, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu writes:
- To: Dave Suess Msg #112, Dec1592 06:31PM Subject: Uniformity: miniscule [sic] cause a OK,
- EVOLUTION + CREATION A Catholic Understanding by Rev. William Kramer This book has the Nih
- Date: 25 Mar 94 17:13:27 To: All Subject: Carbon 14 dating Not long ago, I read a book tit
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- Wesley R. Elsberry I just got a little scanner and OCR software package, which means that
- Chatterjee, Sankar. (The Museum, Texas Tech University, Lubbock, TX 79409) Skull of Protoa
- Richard Harter Nov2092 06:07PM Lionel's chess program In article 1992Nov20.140744.7237@cit
- +quot;Chesterton, Seer of Science+quot; Jaki, Stanley. Chesterton, Seer of Science. Stanle
- From Science 250:376, an article by Ann Gibbons (that's really her name) entitled +quot;Ou
- Chris Colby Feb2593 03:20PM more bad design and the origin of chloroplasts I got an email
- Gibson, James L., +quot;A Creationist view of chromosome banding and evolution+quot; Origi
- To : Joe Morlan Subj: ADAPTION=EVOLUTION? JM Would it have taken as much time as it took w
- Area: Evolution Msg: #316 Date: 102094 10:18 (Public) To: Barbara Davidson Subject: Help B
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- The Chuck Maier Whopper Database Release 1.01, 25 November 1991 Preface: Over the past se
- Marty Leipzig Whilst digging again, alas, through some old files, I found this little gem.
- A friend of mine asked: +quot;Do you believe that the mammals coexisted in time with the d
- Coffin, Harold G. +quot;Sonar and Scuba Survey of a Submerged Allochthonous +quot;Forest+q
- A few weeks ago I posted a summary of the Coffin Creation Seminar given here in McMinnvill
- Hi everyone, Below I am posting a summary of the notes I took at a +quot;Seminar on Scienc
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- To: Jon Strayer 931205 11:46:00 Subject: Chuck Colson JSRemember the offer of information
- To: All Msg #136, Jul1393 05:26PM Subject: Geologic column (was: +quot;Re: Creation and Ev
- I suspect that Jim does not believe that the data is this convincing. It is difficult to t
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- Creationist Comet Crock A commonly encountered creationist argument for a young solar syst
- One more question. I'm a grad student in evolutionary biology. Do you think that I am A.)
- What creationists do What scientists do Adhere to a specific set of beliefs Adhere to a sp
- Asia, track down the Discover magazine devoted to sex. Amazingly enough, you've got it rig
- 500 DIM SEQ(2,MAXL) 510 NSEQ=2 515 FOR I=1 TO 2 520 PRINT :PRINT USING +quot;Enter sequenc
- Date: 15 Apr 94 02:31:51 To: All Subject: Conodonts LONG (was Re: Help! Transitional form
- To: All Msg #112, Feb2193 02:10PM Subject: Re: What are the rational criteria? In article
- Subject: Re: CREATIONIST INTRODUCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT In article 12620@well.UUCP pan
- To: All Jan1494 20:37:14 Subject: ICR Contridicts Self I am about half way through the jus
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- The following two letters appeared in this week's (March 31, 1993) ChronicleofHigherEducat
- The Story of Hanns Hoerbiger's Cosmic Ice Theory This is the story of a remarkable cosmolo
- James G. Acker Apr0293 02:18PM Religion + cosmology article Interesting article from +quot
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- In 1992Mar23.080410.25688@marlin.jcu.edu.au, cpsa@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stefan Aeberhard) wri
- Scott W Roby writes: Seriously, I get the impression that both sides in this debate are di
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- | Is teaching Creation is considered to be a valid academical exersize, | it will open the
- Seems to me that some time ago, a state legislature was convinced at how nice the world wo
- Subject: evolution data (extremely nasty post) Date: 9 Mar 91 23:20:26 GMT This post is ra
- Creationism is an essential part of an argument that leads to control. It supplies us with
- Rich Fox Creationists, especially the virulent +quot;scientific [sic]+quot; variety, are *
- Here is a list of the academic and professional credentials for Henry Morris, Duane Gish,
- Richard Harter The Creationist FAQ There has been a considerable call for a creationist FA
- Just because a theory isn't proven doesn't mean that it is incorrect. You tell me the flaw
- +quot;There is one theory, of course, that does fit all the known facts of physics, chemis
- To: All Msg #87, Apr0893 12:38AM Subject: A New Theory of Creation [a parody] A New Theory
- To: All Msg #199, Jul1493 05:56PM Subject: Re: How many creation scientists? In article 22
- What does creationism lack that makes it not a science? Everything. 1. It lacks any mathem
- Conversation with a Creationist by Ranse Traxler There are just some things that are too m
- +quot;Special Creation+quot; on the Left: Philosopher Michael Levin, in his +quot;Feminism
- By Davis A. Young, a conservative evangelical writer who is also a geologist. Author of tw
- B.C. Comic Strip. (2/21/93) By Johnny Hart. Frame 1. [Redhaired guy is sitting on a rock o
- A CRITIQUE OF EVOLUTION I: BIBLIOGRAPHY (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Association for Creati
- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 91 13:57:29 hst For many years molecular biologists have been mystified b
- The following is the first draft of the letter I will be sending to CBS concerning +quot;A
- Creationism is a lie with a political ajenda to weaken secular society for the benefit of
- Subject: Re: Creationist credentials Summary: Bogus Degrees ? Below, I try to update infor
- Subject: Creationist credentials Dr. Carl Baugh, a fundamentalist Missouri Baptist ministe
- What is an example of the +quot;religious beliefs+quot; that creationists want to teach? I
- +quot;Geology shows that fossils are of different ages. Paleontology shows a fossil sequen
- Bruce Salem examines the +quot;Creationism+quot; opposition to education. The problem is t
- (I) Creationism is not falsifiable, as it can claim devine intervention to cover any flaws
- To: All Msg #16, Jan0294 03:34PM Subject: Man and Creation Before Christmas I mentioned th
- To: WESLEY R. ELSBERRY 940428 19:%:32 Subject: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. there are many reasons th
- Author: Jeff Otto Over the past few years, in the SCIENCE echo, there has been a continuou
- There are really only three roads to creationism ignorance, deliberate deceit, and compart
- Subject: C'ism = science @ SFSU ? (Hmmm.I'm new here so I hope this works out.) I may have
- +quot;Creation, on the other hand, is a scientific theory .+quot; Henry Morris, Remarkable
- . +quot;To do science, one has to answer the critics and not just be one.+quot; hines@socr
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- Jul1093 03:34PM Gish Answers His Critics Here are Gish's comments from this weeks broadcas
- Creation Scientists [sic] Answer Their Critics My copies of Duane Gish's Creation Scientis
- The following is a pagebypage critique of Gish's book I started working on during the summ
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- ==* CYTOCHROMEC PHYLOGENY MDENTON HOMOLOGY THEORYINCRISIS After all I have seen posted her
- The most relevant Chick tract to this newsgroup is +quot;Big Daddy?+quot;, an incredibly o
- DARWIN'S ARENA v. 1.1 Now with ARCADE MODE controlled combat!! TANDY 1000 SERIES USERS SEE
- | I think in the Feb. 93 issue of Scientific | American it was mentioned that for the Big
- To: All Msg #141, Oct0693 09:21AM Subject: Re: Found on soc.religion.christian In article
- Found this quote in a .sig on soc.religion.christian. Does anyone know in what context thi
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- = THE DARWIN TIMES = A Column on the Field of BIOLOGY and other Related Fields With an Emp
- To : Joe Morlan Subj: Allopatric Speciation: Fa You've stated in several messages that the
- Just to add a couple more Darwin quotes to the ones flying around, here's an excerpt from
- Bill Hamilton The following communication appeared in Perspectives on Science and Christia
- To: ALL May2394 16:33:00 Subject: Mark Fox misquotes Hey everybody, remember all those quo
- To: Joe Morlan 931109 22:42:24 Subject: Mayr on Darwin I've been checking the TAMU library
- SCIENTIST THREATENS TO MAKE DARWIN EXTINCT by Neville Hodgkinson, Science Correspondent It
- To: All 940227 23:%:26 Subject: Darwin and P.E. From page 439, Origin of Species (first ed
- [This is from an old clipping from a National Lampoon magazine from a few years back (1987
- In The Voyage of the Beagle Darwin condemns the treatment of slaves in Chile, arguing that
- Micheal Cranford Lou Montgomery says : +quot;[ . ] Could the Earth look old to we [sic] hu
- To: Jeff Doles 940429 19:%:00 Subject: Re: dna dating = Quoting Jeff Doles to All = JD SCI
- To: David Myers 09Jun89 03:37pm Subject: Re: IQ ETC. DM I heard a creationist once claim t
- To: Fredric Rice Oct2693 13:50:00 Subject: Please check this FRBill Wolff made the followi
- Richard Dawkins David Rice Care of W.W. Norton + Company, Inc. 500 Fifth Avenue New York,
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- all Why We Work So Hard I came across this on USENET, in the talk.origins newsgroup. It di
- I'm new to this group, and I have been fascinated by the Creationism vs. Evolution thread
- To: All 940514 10:%:14 Subject: Creationist Debating This article forwarded from Eugenie S
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- Subject: Norman/Setterfield How they did it. Posted: 21 May 88 03:42:21 GMT About a week a
- To: All Msg #336, Jul1593 03:23PM Subject: SN1987A Distance Since the distance to SN1987A
- If you thought that was pretty scary, there's a physicist by the name of Thomas G. Barnes
- To : Bob Sewell Subj: Constant Decay = Quoting Bob Sewell to C. J. Henshaw = BS On (30 Jun
- To: All Nov2993 08:50AM Subject: Re: Science and Evolution (really decay rates) kgs@maths.
- Micheal Cranford Our mainframe has been unable to post news articles for a few months. Thi
- Oct2893 07:28AM Denton's Criticisms A little while ago, I agreed to take a look at Denton'
- To: All Msg #48, Oct0293 06:57PM Subject: +quot;Review+quot; of Denton book In article: 19
- On checking my files, I find the following archived postings: Article 3749 of talk.origins
- Date: 23 Mar 94 17:23:35 To: All Subject: Is there a Denton FAQ? In article 1994Mar22.2112
- * Origin: toadnet (86:86/200.0) Number: 404 (Read 0 times) Date: 17 Apr 94 19:57:00 To:
- To: David Rice Nov2493 17:15:48 Subject: Denton's Follies, #3 DR On page 284 he produces a
- Why Creationists deserve derision on talk.origins: (I) They espouse a theory that is clear
- The Mediterranean Was A Desert In the past three decades convincing evidence has been foun
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- To: All Msg #77, Feb1493 05:00PM Subject: Re: +quot;Bad+quot; design :: From: hamilton@hyd
- Many organisms show features of appallingly bad design. This is because evolution via natu
- Subject: argument by design redux? John Polkinghorne, a British physicist turned priest, i
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- Jurassic Dinosaur Dig Field Course in Wyoming to excavate Mesozoic Dinosaurs! Plans are be
- From Science, Vol. 262, Dec. 24, 1993 A Closer Look at the DinosaurBird Link Arrangements
- As t.o. regulars are already aware, creationists regularly misrepresent British Museum pal
- Just for the heck of it, I thought I'd list some of the advances in research noted in the
- Subject: Evolution in Action Challenge for Creationists Just read in the latest Discover m
- To: Kirby Nixon Dec2193 21:33:00 Subject: Fundi, ICR Junk Saturday December 18 1993, Kirby
- Greetings, HolySmokers, from Holland. During the past two days, a rare chance to examine b
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- Subject: fossil, schmossil. what about the bug!? In article 1992Oct5.174235.18587@news.nd.
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- To: All 940503 00:%:58 Subject: DOBSON LETTER To everyone: I don't normally inhabit this e
- +quot;Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist
- To: All Msg #48, Oct1993 09:03AM Subject: Re: How smart are dolphins, really? In February
- chris@xerox.com wrote: This actually solves one of the major problems that the dead bodies
- To: All Msg #261, 930910 19:57:24 Subject: Dynamics of Animal Populations 930831 The text
- The Great Dying Hsu, Kenneth J. The Great Dying. New York, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1986
- To: All Msg #175, Sep1293 12:54AM Subject: Book Review The Dynamics of Evolution FollowupT
- The following article appeared in the Winter 1994 issue of The Skeptical Inquirer (Vol. 18
- I couldn't let this one pass. In a Back to Genesis article, the ICR staff must really be o
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- 1. How does the Bible deal with the *demonstratable* fact the Dinosaurs existed and then w
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- Entitled +quot;Questions and the answer for chronologists+quot;, this is taken from the mo
- To: All Msg #215, May0493 04:45AM Subject: Dalrymple's work (was: +quot;Re: The obvious is
- Author: Chris Stassen Subject: FAQ: Age of the Earth Updated: 09/24/92 Overview: (I) How o
- To: All Subject: +quot;radioisometric dating+quot; (was: +quot;Re: The Vapor Canopy+quot;)
- The Age of the Earth G. Brent Dalrymple Stanford University Press, Stanford, CA (1991) 474
- From the New York Times News Service by Walter Sullivan, New York Times Science Editor Art
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- +quot;.As the first way out there was religion, which is implanted into every child by way
- David Tinker Nov1192 07:50AM Emergent Properties. I. Introduction FollowupTo: talk.origins
- Saw this in today's Chicago Tribune, Books section, paperbacks: The Encyclopedia of Evolut
- Evidence from endocrine system Hi Guys I was reading 'Evolution' by A Franklin Shull (McGr
- 1. If creationsim is capable of enduring the scientific method, then (a) there are testabl
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- Daniel R. Brooks + E.O. Wiley. 1986. Evolution as Entropy: toward a unified theory of biol
- Nov1291 07:38PMSubject: Re: Thermodynamic arguments In article 68648@rphroy.ph.gmr.com WHA
- Look in any textbook on thermodynamics, and you will find a definition for entropy. Here i
- To: All Jan0694 12:26PM Subject: Re: Blown Prophecy (was: It was six in the morning.) Foll
- The people who want creationism given equal time in the classroom rarely say much about WH
- The definition of Creationscience: from Arkansas ACT 590 of 1981, Section 4, Definitions.
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- Subject: Re: I need information on 'Eve' Date: 5 Nov 91 19:49:10 GMT In article 4124@mrsvr
- New Evidence for Creation! Since we have seen recently how recent scientific research into
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- His name is Josh McDowell, and he is a liar of the worst order. He claimed to be an atheis
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- The Plot of creationists, as faithful as an old hound dog: New Creationist face with +quot
- The absolute best single text I've seen is Monroe W. Strickberger's Evolution, Jones and B
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- TO: Jonathan Rogers Subject: RE: EVOLUTION VS. CREATIO Date: 15 Jan 90 23:50:55 We have pr
- One of the most interesting results over the last couple of decades has been the applicati
- Subject: Memes, Evolution, + Creationists (LONG article 24k) Memes, Evolution, and Creatio
- The claim has frequently been made on this newsgroup that there is no experimental verific
- DO THE FACTS PROVE EVOLUTION? (YES!) Darwin said: 'I am well aware that there is scarcely
- A CRITIQUE OF EVOLUTION II:kh BIBLIOGRAPHY (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Association for Cre
- Subject: Re: Evolution, falsification, and all that. Date: 1 Nov 91 21:43:26 GMT mtx014@cc
- evolution1: The common biological ancestry of all life on earth from a small number (proba
- AN INTRODUCTION TO EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY BY CHRIS COLBY * INTRODUCTION Evolution is one of
- Evolution has NOTHING WHATEVER to say about a creator * * one way or the other. Nothing, n
- +quot;Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from th
- Ivan OrdonezReinoso writes: I have been reading this newsgroup for sometimes, and I have o
- Tales of Future Evolutionary Pasts all around; Machine World falls apart because of lack o
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- INTRODUCTION Evolution is one of the most powerful theories science has ever known. For a
- To : Davey Jones Subj: CREATION SCIENCE DJ I would agree that acceptance of evolutionism i
- The +quot;veryrecent+quot; evolution of human beings from nonhuman hominids is now quite w
- EVOLUTION IS RELIGION, NOT SCIENCE Institute for Creation Research Dr. Henry M. Morris, Ph
- Creation or Evolution? Part III: The Fossil Record By Winkie Pratney Copyright (C) 1982, 1
- Evolution and Christianity Galileo In 1633, Galileo was sentenced to life imprisonment by
- MEDIA SPOTLIGHT +quot;ORIGINS+quot; AN ANSWER TO EVOLUTION FILM REVIEW +quot;The battle fo
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- CARL SAGAN: PROPHET OF SCIENTISM By David N. Menton Carl Sagan has gained international at
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- To: All Msg #57, Oct2993 06:00AM Subject: Re: Attention Chris! Attention Chris! Ok here co
- Subject: Evolution I am new to this discussion; I hope I have not grossly misunderstood an
- JC Someone on this echo once said that a species had been bred in a JC laboratory somewher
- Subject: Re: Evolution Simulation Software FollowupTo: talk.origins In article 1992Oct16.1
- See, the good ol' T of E was. um, invented? Discovered? Whatever the term is, it was come
- What Price Fame? Exposing CBS By Tom Malone The gospel according to Andy Warhol promises t
- Well, there are several bursts in species diversity I can think of. The Cambrian and Ordov
- The main bone (:)) of contention here is wether the dinosaur extinction was very rapid (ca
- THE EYE by David Menton (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Association for Creation, Inc. The evo
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- 17 +quot;EVIDENCES+quot; AGAINST EVOLUTION [AND FOR CHRISTIAN IGNORANCE] By Kevin Martin 1
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- To : Lane Lester Subj: Adaption=evolution? LLYou said to DAVID BUSHARD: LLJM I thought tha
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- To: Ron Stringfellow Nov0493 21:43:48 Subject: Perceptions, Vol. 3 RF Now, here's a little
- To: All Jun0194 18:00:58 Subject: Fasold book As promised, here is my report on The Ark of
- To : All Subj: David Fasold Part 1 of 5 * Originally by lippard@ccit.arizona.edu, 1:102/85
- To: Raoul Newton May2694 14:59:00 Subject: The Ark of Noah Well, I managed to find a copy
- Richard Harter May2393 10:22PM In article 1993May23.141901.22726@aurora.com isaak@aurora.c
- Bob Bales has claimed that no one has refuted the points that he has made about how scales
- GENESISCREATIONACCOUNT from Hugh Ross' +quot;The Fingerprint of God+quot; Typical Creation
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- To: All Msg #69, Mar3093 11:05AM Subject: Re: Fishy Fetuses In article 93Mar26.032230.2742
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- To: Steve Bedard Oct1393 21:38:32 Subject: No Nonsense On (08 Oct 93) Steve Bedard wrote t
- Problems With a Global Flood vers. 1.7, last modified 2/11/93 Mark Isaak isaak@aurora.com
- +quot;The Book of Genesis says of the Flood that 'all the high hills that were under the w
- Seton Lloyd's The Archaeology of Mesopotamia, revised edition 1984, Thames + Hudson. From
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- My thanks to Steven Timm who wrote this. Date: Mon, 2 Jul 90 23:53:54 EDT It was suggested
- In article 16077@plains.NoDak.edu broberg@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Broberg) writes: }I ask
- Karl Kluge Lionel Tun is one of those rare literalists who read the Genesis geneologies in
- I hope you take the time to actually read this. By : David Nash Dept. Of Chemistry Univ. o
- To : Jesse Hornbacher Subj: flood myths around t JH If you present no evidence of such you
- Subject: The Flood and creation Topics: }Religion's views }Science's views }Parallel myths
- Many creationists claim `Flood geology' accounts for most of what is found in the `record
- To: All Msg #150, Jul1493 12:06PM Subject: wild speculation anyone? flooding in Midwest We
- original by: Marty Leipzig If, for no other reason to educate some and irritate others, fo
- I am reposting this information since it is germaine to the discussion regarding the Bibic
- I've made quite a few changes to the Flood FAQ since the version which Brett Vickers just
- From the Dictionary of Science + Creationism, Ronald Ecker, 1990. The Genesis Flood narrat
- Tillites are rocks formed from till, which are glacial deposits. Period. They are in no wa
- To: All Feb0494 08:29:46 Subject: Flood Follies Well, gang. Here we go again. When the smo
- The location where the so called +quot;human+quot; and dinosaur footprints occur together
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- Human Footprints Footprints, footprints.and you thought it stopped with Paluxy. Well, Jame
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- What follows are selected excerpts from an open letter by Forrest M. Mims III to Daniel Ji
- To: All Msg #14, Dec0392 02:05PM Subject: Re: Richard Milton Creationist or What? In artic
- Subject: Fossil and creation Topics: }There are gaps in fossil record } Oldest living thin
- Subject: gaps in the fossil record } the evidence from the fossil record to support evolut
- As for evidence against the creation myth, just look around. fossils sedimentary rock form
- Fossilization is a rare event. Not every animal that dies is turned into a fossil. It woul
- AN INFORMAL REPORT ON A SCANNING ELECTRON MICROSCOPE STUDY OF A HUMANLIKE INCISOR FROM CRE
- To: Ron Stringfellow Oct2393 09:24:38 Subject: evolution/faith = Quoting Ron Stringfellow
- CALIFORNIA SCIENCE FRAMEWORK LABELLED IRRESPONSIBLE Colorado Springs, CO (October 1, 1990)
- To: All Oct2493 11:22AM Subject: Re: +quot;Experts+quot; on CBS/Sun Pictures +quot;Noah's
- To: All Oct1993 04:21PM Subject: +quot;Experts+quot; on CBS/Sun Pictures +quot;Noah's Ark+
- To: All Subject: Dale Crowley, Jr.'s $5,000 Challenge (and possible free beer) A local Cre
- To: All Msg #18, Jul3093 05:43PM Subject: Re: The problems of creationism (longish) Creati
- To: All Msg #88, Oct1292 07:37PM Subject: Molecular Homologies Alan M Feuerbacher wrote, +
- To : BOB BLOODGOOD Subj: Quick Frozen! BB Millions of quickfrozen mammals?! Please advise
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- Future evolution of Creationism isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak) Okay, I'll add my speculatio
- To: All Msg #216, Jul1393 11:30AM Subject: Where are the Creationists of tomorrow? Where a
- Scenario #1: Mainstream humanity will probably continue its current dysgenics program well
- Subject: Physics, Ted, and the future Ted Holden, of talk.origins fame, has often claimed
- There are at least two forms of the Gaia hypothesis: The Weak Gaia Hypothesis: The ecosphe
- In past messages, I have noted that the origin of novel genetic information new genes, wit
- To: All Msg #157, Sep0193 01:11PM Subject: genes and evolution (for Joe) Joe Morlan (Joe.M
- To: All Msg #110, Jan3193 12:34AM Subject: Genesis Seminar in Pasadena, California A while
- To: All Dec0893 11:11AM Subject: Something for Creationists to chew on. Well, it's been pr
- To: Bill Wolff Oct2693 14:05:04 Subject: Creationist Follies KBBWwish things like this cou
- Manoj Joshi, Social Zerology, Physics (atmmmj@vax.oxford.ac.uk) wrote: : can anyone xplain
- Since a number of Sci.Skeptic readers seem to be into GAs, this seems like a good cue to m
- To : David Rice Received: 13 Oct 94 10:56 Subj: Re: DIFFERENT KINDS OF SCIENCE = Quoting D
- To : All Subj: Gentry There have been several recent mentions of Robert V. Gentry's Poloni
- and Robert Gentry. Both had impeccable credentials and were praised by their collegues. Th
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- Start with this . +quot;Geophysical Applications of VeryLongBaseLine Interferometry+quot;
- Subject: Geology and creation Topics: }There are gaps in fossil record }Methods of dating
- The Sumerian flood legend is contained in the epic, +quot;Poem of Gilgamesh+quot; a ledgen
- To: All Msg #109, Feb1793 02:28PM Subject: Re: Gill Slits In article 1993Feb11.210050.2481
- Apr0293 04:50PM Subject: The Truth About Hansel And Gretel This posting should have been f
- RG Question: Why do we never find fossils of these +quot;short giraffes?+quot; You do not
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- I've tried to track down references by Gish, as I think it is possibly more concrete to cr
- To : ARTHUR BIELE Subj: Baramin? saramin! ARTHUR BIELE to MARTY LEIPZIG on 090594 01:01 re
- William E. Hamilton CS50 CS/50 hamilton gmr.com +quot;Focus on the family+quot; discussion
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- To: All Msg #68, Nov2392 05:53PM Subject: +quot;good+quot;/+quot;bad+quot; mutation ratio
- To: All Msg #69, Nov2992 06:39AM Subject: Probability of good, neutral and bad mutations.
- BOOK REPORT Evolution and the myth of creationism Tim M Berra Stanford University Press 19
- Date: 21 Feb 94 18:45:25 To: All Subject: New theory on the evolution of human good + illw
- Subject: Legal View (This is a repost of a message I prepared as part of a debate on the m
- Date: 07 Apr 94 06:09:42 To: All Subject: Gould: Science and Creationism lecture Lecture O
- To : ARTHUR BIELE Subj: Gould ARTHUR BIELE to MARTIN GOLDBERG on 090594 14:37 re: TRANSITI
- JUDGING A SELFAPPOINTED IMPEACHER An introduction to Phillip E. Johnson's response to Step
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- The text goes (it's Leviticus chap. 11, verse 21): KJV: Yet these may ye eat of every flyi
- To : ARTHUR BIELE Subj: Grasse lie What liar did you steal your quotes from this time? ART
- Grasses, the plant family Gramineae, first showed up in the Early Cenozoic, specifically i
- The famous Green River Formation (including shale and limestone) covers tens of thousands
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- Q3 How is the half life of an element determined? For something that takes 60 billion year
- Ramskold, L., 1992, The second leg row of Hallucigenia discovered. Lethaia, v.25, p.221224
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- I am posting the following program in direct response to the creationist claim that mutati
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- Well, I was about to leave this topic, but it seems another actor has walked onto the stag
- To: All Msg #369, Sep2193 06:22AM Subject: Repost: Evolution of three and fourchambered he
- I have often found that the more I learn about biology, the more easier it becomes to beco
- To: John Musselwhite May2294 04:06:46 Subject: Raoul bring Iraq to Geology class. Thanks f
- To: All Subject: Evidence #11 for a Young World In article CLFMut.EBp@watserv2.uwaterloo.c
- 1. Accumulation of Helium in the atmosphere The creationst argument goes something like th
- Subject: young earth + helium Posted: 4 Oct 88 15:42:10 GMT The Creation Research Society
- From Medline UNIQUE ID: (NLM)93164275. AUTHOR(S): Otsuka J.; Miyazaki K.; Horimoto K. INST
- To : ALL Subj: Next post The next post is to Jesse Hornbacher. He has asked me for referen
- To: All Msg #27, Apr0393 12:58PM Subject: a brief history of life I got the information fo
- . +quot;Even our exhaustive research would have failed to uncover this hoaxer if that in f
- Ray Ingles In article 22@fedfil.UUCP news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes: [deletions] Primative
- Tero Sand Mar2193 06:17AM FAQTTNA (reorganization) Or: Frequently Asked Questions That Ted
- +quot;These ideological underclasses include communists, the politically correct, evolutio
- Peter Lamb Eggshaped antediluvian world This is the refutation of Ted's earlier, nearident
- To: All Msg #254, Sep2293 02:32PM Subject: Wow, things are getting weird. Well, things hav
- Tom Williams May2893 09:07AM Re: Improving your bookstore In article 1120@fedfil.UUCP news
- I came across the following in Martin Gardner's 1957 Fads + Fallacies on page 327: +quot;I
- Below is my proposal for making debating on t.o. a competitive event. Posters can score po
- The current hominid fossil situation is thus: we can trace the human line backwards, throu
- HOMOLOGY Evidence For Evolution? David N. Menton St. Louis, MO October 1987 (C) copyright
- To: Jack Brannan Msg #358, 940320 11:%:00 Subject: HOMO SAPEINS ERECTUS: NOT On 14 Mar 94
- Bill Honig and Creationists I am posting excerts from an article that appeared in West, th
- Politics and creationism in California See the story in the San Francisco Chronicle for 3/
- To: All Msg #86, Sep2993 05:04PM Subject: Re: Horse ribs and scattered bones FollowupTo: t
- * HORSE EVOLUTION FAQ * OUTLINE: 1. Historical background why fossil horses are famous 2.
- To : Arthur Biele Subj: Transitions In a msg to David Bloomberg on Sep 18 23:17, Arthur Bi
- SCIENCE HELD HOSTAGE: What's Wrong With Creation Science AND Evolutionism by Howard J. Van
- During the late 1940s and early 1950s, Keith and Cathy Hayes reared a baby chimpanzee name
- Date: 19 Feb 94 18:38:39 To: All Subject: Pt 1/2: Kent Hovind Arguments Since I've receive
- Date: 22 Feb 94 00:48:10 To: All Subject: Hovind on Radiometric Dating Here's another page
- Date: 23 Feb 94 17:10:16 To: All Subject: Kent Hovind Arguments In article 18FEB1994142309
- Tonight, Friday February 25, I attended the event with Mr. Kent Hovind. He is either one o
- To: All Jan3094 16:00:28 Subject: ICR speaks in San Diego The Institute for Creation Resea
- To: All Feb2794 16:06:16 Subject: Dino and Phoney show Dino and Phoney Show Last night I a
- REALLity Check by David Bloomberg Underhanded Creationist Tactics The Peoria Journal Star
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- The Human Evolution Coloring Book says, with regard to DNA similarities: 97.6% Chimp 94.7%
- Lawrence C. Foard writes: : (Christopher Peters) writes: : : 2. Humans exhibit the rather
- Article 24791 of talk.origins: Subject: Who is he *really*? (was: two questions for Jim Lo
- In the August, 1993 issue of ICR Impact, No. 242, Russell Humphreys expanded upon his theo
- To: All Msg #92, Jul1393 03:28PM Subject: hilarious hypocrisy by Henry Morris Every so oft
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- ==* TOFAQICRCRED ICR CREDENTIALS BAUGH BURDICK BLISS Article 27663 of talk.origins: Subjec
- BAUGH : 1 BLISS : 1 BULLFROG : 1 BURDICK : 1 CARBON14 : 1 CHICKEN
- The following is from the ICR. The first part contains the history of the lawsuit accordin
- Chris Colby Lionel: Example: would you like to take a ride in an Airbus whose computer pro
- The Illogic of Creationism An Essay Review by Michael T. Ghiselin, based on +quot;Evolutio
- The Illogic of Creationism An Essay Review by Michael T. Ghiselin, based on +quot;Evolutio
- From Back to Godhead magazine, March/April 1992 IMITATORS OF LIFE by Sadaputa Dasa (c) 199
- Evolution can be inferred from studying extant populations of organisms. The process of ev
- To : Arthur Biele Subj: Transitions, part 5. 2/2 AB It should be pointed out that the soca
- James W. Meritt Was Velikovsky deliberately lying, or was he just insane? This was taken f
- Subject: Zuckerman Help I have some ICR literature where Gish, Bliss and Bird quote Zucker
- To: All Msg #187, Nov3093 04:08PM Subject: Microevolution AN INTRODUCTION TO EVOLUTIONARY
- Larry Sites 030914 10:29:00 Introducing ICR In Sept. 1993, I picked up the undated ICR pam
- Foreign Invaders The July 2 issue of Science had an interesting article about the spread o
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- ISOCHRONS AND EVOLUTIONARY DATING by Dr. Steven Austin As the media constantly tells us, t
- Robert W Bales Nov0492 12:41PM Isochron Errors I The accuracy of isochron dating has been
- Author: Chris Stassen Subject: FAQ: Isochron Dating Updated: 02/27/92 Outline: 1. Generic
- To: All Nov0993 02:25PM Subject: Re: t.o. + Evolution Echo Jargon File version 1.03 In art
- To: All Nov0693 03:16PM Subject: t.o. + Evolution Echo Jargon File version 1.03 The talk.o
- all Jastrow +quot;Quote+quot; was a Wolff lie, #1 of I read the book. Here's what Bill Fun
- +quot;God and the Astronomers+quot; by Robert Jastrow, 1978, pp. 11, 14. +quot;It turns ou
- +quot;I keep waiting for the fundamentalist Christians to attack PBS for science series li
- Will you bring unfair arguments for God? Will you tell lies on his behalf? Will you be syc
- JUDGING A SELFAPPOINTED IMPEACHER An introduction to Phillip E. Johnson's response to Step
- Subject: Re: Topic for Discussion? XNewsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] References: 1993Jan2
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- To: All Dec2393 01:42PM Subject: Johnson's publisher Didn't Phillip Johnson tell us that t
- To: All Msg #17, Mar2693 04:26AM Subject: Re: the 747 from a junkyard argument In article
- Sep0993 11:52PM Velikovsky right theory, wrong planets?? FollowupTo: talk.origins I found
- Jurassic Park review colby@bubio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) I saw Jurassic Park last night great
- Jurassic Park is melting in the dark All the hot red blood is running down Someone let the
- To: All Msg #119, May2893 08:43AM Subject: How to Clone a Dinosaur Jim Hutchins raises a p
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- To: All Dec1693 11:59AM Subject: More on Kenyon/SFSU After collecting additional informati
- I was browsing the pages of Science (24 December, 1993, Vol 262, pp 19452108) when I notic
- Article 25227 of talk.origins: Subject: Scott on Dean Kenyon Date: 18 Mar 1994 16:15 MST D
- From Science, Vol. 262, Dec. 24, 1993 Random Samples, by Holden +quot;Intelligent Design+q
- Number: 381 Date: 19 Mar 94 09:25:35 To: All Subject: Scott on Dean Kenyon Date: Tue, 15 M
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- SPECIES, SPECIATION AND THE GENESIS KIND By David N. Menton St. Louis, MO 1987 (C) copyrig
- +quot;You [pointing] dirty [back of hand on chin] bad [hand moving down face] toilet [clen
- From +quot;20 Questions: Koko+quot; in Playboy 33(12):1823, we learn: Playboy: What's it l
- Micheal Cranford +quot;Here are some of the passages from the Qur'an which Leonard Newnham
- On the request of an occassional poster to these newsgroups, I recently did a database sea
- Author: Larry A. Moran (lamoran@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca) Title: Russian Creationist Dmitri Ko
- Ah, Dmitri Kouznetsov. There's a t.o FAQ about him. I think you will find that Mr. Kouznet
- Dr. Dmitri A. Kuznetsov (M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc.), Moscow, USSR Education: three earned doctora
- Youngearth creationists believe that the earth is less than a few hundred thousand years o
- To: All Msg #42, Feb1693 12:37PM Subject: My Update NostraticReferences List Here are some
- Loren I. Petrich I guess that not many of you people confront this kind of crackpottery ve
- dG = dH TdS (2nd Law of Thermodynamics) This mathematical relationship between Gibbs free
- The K/T border +quot;Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
- To : All Subj: Interesting paper Parisi, Domenico, Stefano Nolfi, and Federico Cecconi. Le
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- To: All Msg #255, May0493 08:06PM Subject: the history of life I posted a brief history of
- The following is extracted from a general commentary on the Watchtower Society book Life H
- Stage I: enrichment of the environment of precursors to amino acids. Stage II: production
- Subject: The speed of light controversy. Topic: The speed of light controversy. By Robert
- To: All Jan0394 10:49AM Subject: Re: Tree Rings, Ice Cores, and 14C (was: Re: Age of the E
- Subj: More Light NOT! Area: BIOGENESIS Date: 93/09/10 During my recent visit to the ICR, I
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- Current Contents of Selected Creationist Literature, #2 September 30, 1991 (C) copyright 1
- I would suggest that all +quot;pseudoscience+quot; (on talk.origins) at any rate can be di
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- On November 26, 1986, Donald Johanson gave a lecture at the University of Missouri at Kans
- To : ALL Subj: ICR Lunacy A while back, I reported on the ICR's half hour radio show calle
- To : ALL Subj: ICR Luna(tics) In an attempt to rip off the 25th anteversity (sp?) of the m
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- To: All Msg #94, Feb1793 04:39PM Subject: Creation Science and Magnetic Fields In his repo
- Isn't it interesting to note the following about the strength of the Earth's magnetic fiel
- Subject: ICR + MAGNETIC BUNK Well, in another series of distortions and lunacy, this month
- To: All Rcvd: NO Re: What aeon Considers Una Status: Public myrddin!nbn!sgiblab!swrinde!cs
- [taken from the +quot;transitional species+quot; faq.] Transitional fossils from early eut
- I've seen a few mentions of mammoths, +quot;frozen so quickly that the grass in their mout
- To: Steve Quarrella Subject: Off to see the Lizards Location: FidoNet's HOLYSMOKE Echo ML
- To: Dr Pepper 930516 22:32:00 Subject: +quot;Mantracks+quot; DR PEPPER to ALL, 051293, re:
- Markov matrix for selection pressure on AA and aa. p = probability aa will die before mati
- Subject: Re: selfdeceptive belief maintenance In article 28SEP199219122923@skyblu.ccit.ari
- The marsupials and placentals diverged from a pantotheran stem stock in the late Cretaceou
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- Subject: Mathematics and creation Topics: }rift between mathematicians + biologists }expon
- Alan M Feuerbacher I have some questions for evolutionary biologists about convergent evol
- hkhenson@cup.portal.com (H Keith Henson) Memes, Evolution, and Creationism (this seemed on
- The Early Evolution of the Metazoa in one easy post :) Part the First: The Ediacaran fauna
- To: Gary Glunz Nov2693 09:54:26 Subject: CARL SAGAN AGAIN Gary Glunz, who told the glacier
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- This is from Martin Gardner's column +quot;Notes of a Fringe Watcher+quot; in Skeptical In
- To: All 931214 22:18:12 Subject: Evolution/Creation Letter A couple weeks ago (Nov. 24), S
- The Misconceptions of Evolution By Ransom R. Traxler In spite of our technical society and
- I was asked by somebody in another echo to post this article in here. It was written by Ra
- Nature 296:5857 8 April 1982 p.506 What skulduggery? Steve Blinkhorn The Mismeasure of Man
- To: All Msg #78, Oct0393 02:06PM Subject: Re: Gould, Politics and Science (sort of) (was:
- Creationist misrepresentation of Richard Lewontin I'd like to find out in which creationis
- Recent African Find Newsweek October 3, 1994 Out of Africa, a +quot;Missing Link+quot; Sci
- Brett J. Vickers Colin Patterson quote misuse (ftqz's quoting) Not long ago, Gene Newman (
- Tag: Aaron Boyden Define +quot;the theory of creationism.+quot; Has =ANYONE= ever actually
- Subject: Criticism of Molecular Evolution SUMMARY: I defend molecular evolution against th
- Scott Faust Molecular Evidence Here we go again folks with M. Denton's silly +quot;typolog
- Subject: Re: Moon Dust Argument ajs9462@sigma.tamu.edu (SIMON, ANTHONY JOE) writes: Hopefu
- Niles Eldredge, in The Monkey Business: A Scientist Looks at Creationism (1982, Washington
- Following is the monotreme file, as mentioned by Kathleen Hunt. Subject: Monotremes and th
- To: Mark Fox Msg #2234, Jun0194 23:20:00 Subject: Magnetic fields = Quoting Mark Fox to Da
- Moral Implications of Creation/Evolution From isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak) MessageID 1993
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- Subject: Religion and creation(was bible and science) Topics: }Creationism deserves equal
- To: All 940430 22:%:02 Subject: More Files Here's a list for everybody from my evolution/c
- Larry Sites 930909 21:34:00 Creationists Lies Today, Sept. 9, 1993, I, Larry Sites went to
- Duwayne Anderson Jul1593 03:00PM Mormonism and Evolution Hello. I've been following this n
- To: All Nov2893 12:45PM Subject: Books on Evolution \ Mormons on Evolution Over the last f
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- The following is an excerpt from a radio program I taped. Those interested in crackpots mi
- The authors of this nonsense is unknow, published unknown, but it soulds like Henry Morris
- To: All Oct2493 10:25AM Subject: Re: The Aquatic Ape news In article 1993Oct22.121712.3652
- In a recent PNAS, Barry Hall has a paper demonstrating directed mutagenesis (he's calling
- Jeff Otto 930511 16:04:44 Noah's mutant ancestors Most geneticists firmly believe that the
- To: All Msg #64, Jun0793 11:01AM Subject: Re: the role of mutation in evolution Chris Colb
- ' Subroutine MUTATE ' This calculates the gene for mutation and the mutation occurring ' T
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- Subject: Re: Clinton and Creationism Bill Collum writes: Maybe I missed something, being n
- from Marty Leipzig Ahem. +quot;Nebraska Man+quot; or +quot;Why Creationists Haven't a Clue
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- To: All Msg #277, Jul1593 10:07AM Subject: Evolution simulator available Fellow t.o reader
- DJ Howard's evolutionary biology lab at New Mexico State University, in collaboration with
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- To : ARTHUR BIELE Subj: Nilsson ARTHUR BIELE to MARTIN GOLDBERG on 090594 14:36 re: TRANSI
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- To : ALL Subj: Moron of the Week Thought you'd like this quote. I'm going to try and get t
- From Marty Leipzig: Humorous anecdote time: During my last sojourn overseas, I had some ac
- +quot;Nothing in the Bible can be proven wrong+quot; means that the Bible cannot be tested
- Subject: Life is Unique Date: 19 Oct 91 08:10:01 GMT Life is Unique Chapter 31 in 'Origin
- * * I've only been reading this newsgroup for a week, but that's been time to explore the
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- The following are four cases of observed speciation. 1) Speciation occured in a strain of
- One animal CAN evolve into another because they have been OBSERVED DOING JUST THAT. Can yo
- wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: You make a point here that I have been trying to
- One animal CAN evolve into another because they have been OBSERVED DOING JUST THAT. Can yo
- To: All Msg #27, Jan2593 11:27AM Subject: Re: Has Macroevolution Occured? In article 1993J
- Journal Star, Peoria, Monday, Sept. 12, 1994 SciTech Briefs, Study: Ocean iron helped boos
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- Subject: a short course in flood geology [I am posting this for my husband, (Steve Watson)
- Subject: Geographic Distribuion of Quadrupeds Topics: }Life is too complex to have happene
- Subject: Scientific Origins, part three For those who say +quot;but it can't just be so+qu
- THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR THE ORIGIN OF MAN David N. Menton, Ph.D. St. Louis, Missouri 1
- Subject: FAQ: Fossil and creation Date: 30 Oct 91 00:05:05 GMT Topics: }There are gaps in
- Date: 05 Apr 94 04:10:13 To: All Subject: Review: Origins 20(1) Origins 20(1) Winter 1993
- Topics: }Creationism deserves equal time because evolution is only a theory. }The doctrine
- An Opinion on Science + Theories of Origins by Bill Zimmerly (C) copyright 1991 Missouri A
- Written by Rupert Goodwins for The Independent Newspaper (London). I FOUND JESUS IN MY LAP
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- To : LEON BROOKS Subj: TESTABLE! LEON BROOKS to KELSEY BJARNASON on 101094 17:33 re: TESTA
- alanf@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Alan M Feuerbacher) This past weekend, February 2527, 1993, an I
- To : Arthur Biele Subj: Evolution Arthur Biele, uptight about suppositories, said to John
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- My post was in response to Ted's (oftposted) +quot;The supercontinent and antediluvian gra
- To : John Brawley Subj: Chimps + mirrors As SUE told JOHN about EVOLUTION MYTHOS on 062594
- In hostparasite associations, there is often a geneforgene mechanism of infection. What th
- This is the article in the Sept/Oct 1991 Audubon magazine for those of you who are interes
- To: All Dec0593 04:33AM Subject: Pretty Good Partitioning I've been very sick recently. I
- +quot;I am not confused about evolution. I was taught it in school. Now they want to hand
- Creationists gets it wrong again Tip a glance. Not only does this Creationist get origins
- John Pelosa, a southern California high school teacher was barred from teaching creationis
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- On page 197 Penrose divides scientific theories into three broad categories: SUPERB, USEFU
- James G. Acker Jun1493 07:00AM Creationist perspective Mark Isaak (isaak@aurora.com) wrote
- Mark Isaak May2893 08:05AM More on Pesticide Resistance, and Wings A while ago I posted so
- Subject: Physics and creation Topics: }Creationism deserves equal time }Evolutionists them
- To: Steve Quarrella Nov1893 09:34:36 Subject: Piltdown Man Steve Quarrella, dreaming of se
- Number: 403 (Read 0 times) Date: 25 Feb 94 21:45:30 To: All Subject: Axioms of Creation In
- Msg #: 4829 of 5260 Area: ORIGINS Subboard To: All Rcvd: NO Re: Piltdown Hoaxer Unmasked?
- Religion and Science, according to The Plain Truth The latest (July 1993) issue of The Pla
- To: All Msg #118, Jan3193 01:11PM Subject: embryos, plants and a tangential rant In articl
- Msg #: 5211 of 5260 Area: ORIGINS Subboard To: All Rcvd: NO Re: (r)creation Similar To Ev
- You don't need to know any more about platypi than to have read the correct SciAm article,
- F = coyfemale f = fastfemale M = faithfulmale m = philanderingmale PERCENTAGE OF POPULATIO
- F = female M = male PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION: 0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 F M F
- To: All Msg #92, Jun1893 08:10PM Subject: Polar Bear Hair I finally found the reference I
- I offer this here, in five parts, not to irritate, but to provide the results (so far) of
- +quot;PoloniumType+quot; Radiohaloes and Dr. Gentry's work. a possible mechanism for their
- Chris Heiny Ted and Mutations I just thought of an example counter to Ted's assertion that
- To : All Subj: POLYPLOIDY the % polyploid species among the vascular plants in selected re
- ST VATICAN II I recently read an interesting book by Philip St. Romain, CATHOLIC ANSWERS T
- To: All Msg #67, Sep3093 08:12AM Subject: Re: Man's origins (was: re: A friendly Challenge
- To: All Msg #72, Oct0893 01:18PM Subject: Re: Evolution Hey kids! It's another antievoluti
- Message #1302 [Holysmoke] To : ARTHUR BIELE Subj: Popper pooper ARTHUR BIELE to ALL on 090
- In the 1930's someone did a study of the population growth of snowshoe hares in Canada. At
- Populus! RAH! RAH! RAH!
- Populus 2.10, August 1992 Overview The Populus software contains a set of simulation model
- AWESOME computer program (Populus) A couple of weeks ago, I picked up a truly great ecolog
- To: Gerard Trigo Msg #186, 930409 08:02:28 GT From your earlier post, I gather that you ha
- To: All Jan3194 01:47PM Subject: Re: Evolution is WRONG!!! Evolution makes numerous predic
- FIrst of all, it's not a +quot;dream registry,+quot; it's a prediction registry. As to how
- To: jonny vee May0994 06:31:20 Subject: Flood myth question jonny vee while keeping an eye
- Press Release: Tuesday, October 18, 1994 NEW THEORY REFUTES EVOLUTION A new scientific the
- SE Sun Vienna Va. Sep1093 05:27AM The Flood is Absurd rticle 747631218@cc.gatech.edu, drew
- Here is a good time table based on primate fossils available. First primatelike mammals ap
- Paul Neubauer Oct2893 01:48PM The Aquatic Ape news FollowupTo: talk.origins In article 204
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- Subject: Private vs. Public school JB Does it bother you to know that private religious sc
- No evolution means no new forms of live. No new forms of live means that any form of life
- GREAT MYTHS OF EVOLUTION #5 by David N. Menton (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Association for
- GREAT MYTHS OF EVOLUTION #7 by David N. Menton (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Association for
- GREAT MYTHS OF EVOLUTION #8 by David N. Menton (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Association for
- Mark Isaak +quot;There lives more faith in honest doubt, isaak@aurora.com Believe me, than
- Problems With a Global Flood version 1.4, last modified 9/27/92 Creationist models are oft
- Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof. As
- To: All Msg #37, Apr0793 10:50AM Subject: Michael Ruse and the FTE The following is a lett
- Scott H Mullins Jun0793 08:10AM Protein and amino acid sequences A creationist with whom I
- To: All Subject: TATABinding Protein (or TFIIDtau, if you like) We were privileged enough
- To: Eddie Johnston Msg #72, 930625 09:04:14 Subject: Creation failure EJ On the other hand
- To : XXX Subj: CREATION SCIENCE No. What is scary is that evolutionism is so ensco
- Date: 060693 (05:25) Number: 7565 To: PATRICK CRAIG Recvd: NO Subj: Theistic Evolution Con
- Sure. But the more obscure the data, the more disagreements. There is (according to Eldrid
- To: Barbara Brasfield 930309 15:29:46 Re: Gould and Eldridge: +quot;We proposed the theory
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- To: All Nov0993 08:55AM Subject: Punctuated Equilibrium I've been noticing a number of pos
- Jack, you still don't get it. Eldridge questions gradualism. Instead, he champions punctua
- To: All Msg #86, Jul2493 12:52PM Subject: punk eek as artifact and my own macro theory The
- There is a passage that discusses the concept a bit. Henry Farfield Osborn was the directo
- Loren I. Petrich Sep2993 10:14AM Puzzler for Creationists: Dolphins and Whales All you net
- #include stdlib.h #define MYSWAP 1 #define NUMPLAY 30 #define NUMKEEP 60 #define MAXFSM 10
- To: All Msg #237, Jul1393 04:58PM Subject: Re: Henry Morris Lecture In article Jul.13.18.4
- Questions directed to scientific creationists, youngearth creationists and others in oppos
- 1. What is it about the Earth that leads you to believe it is young? Note that the Bible i
- Chris Colby's +quot;eve+quot; quiz Chris Colby writes that under some circumstance we can
- The story of rabbits in Australia ia another fascinating case history in evolutionary biol
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- Michael Siemon Sep2893 06:23PM Mediocre Flood (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes: Were there an
- Does anyone here have any knowledge of Dr. Hugh Ross, or his +quot;Reasons to Believe+quot
- Phillip Johnson Jan1893 08:25AM SWAA Lecture This is the text of the plenary session lectu
- Subject: Astronomy and Origins Topics: } Helmholtz's contraction theory says the sun is 2
- Before Darwin died, he announced that his theory was made up, and false. You have fallen f
- Before Darwin died, he announced that his theory was made up, and false. You have fallen f
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- To: All Msg #114, Jun2593 01:29AM Subject: Re: Arp and quasars (was Old Astronomer jokes)
- To: Marilyn Burge May1794 17:14:32 Subject: References by the passle. Fredric Rice noting
- Subject: Religion and creation(was bible and science) Topics: }Creationism deserves equal
- In 1976, U.S. Rep. John Conlan (RAZ) amended an education appropriations bill to state tha
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- Micheal Cranford Corey Carroll states: Recently I went to the Dallas public library and go
- Every once in a while, some poor fool creationist gets trapped in precisely this quandary,
- branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Karen) writes: Many people have posted in strong reaction agai
- To: All Msg #47, Oct2893 11:53AM Subject: Re: CONCEPT OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN Research group
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- To: Jim Blakeman Msg #16, Nov1093 10:38PM Subject: About Evolution to: Jim Blakeman I see
- THE BASIC PREMISE Polonium halos are small spherical +quot;shells+quot; of radiation damag
- 930124 Gould, Stephen Jay. Jan 1989. An Essay on a Pig Roast. Natural History, Jan., pp. 1
- Not the dreaded creationist biostratigraphy argument again! Don't creationists ever come u
- Think of it this way. The person making the argument is saying that life is so unlikely, i
- To: All Msg #291, Nov1793 12:21AM Subject: Re: Teaching C'ism? (Was: Re: Churches as Leech
- Rodents + Monkeys in S. America From DISCOVER Magazine, February 1994, p. 17: Pioneering R
- Ron Stringfellow Worst Silly Fool! Was: +quot;Worse Nightmare!+quot; RS You forget God mad
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #1 with: Simon Ewins SE So is the sun (wh
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #7 DR What? Where? How? When? Who says? R
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #3 RS What we know of the earth and it's
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #4 RS EVIDENCE [sic] #1 RS RS Marine depo
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #5 RS EVIDENCE [sic] #2 RS RS Widespread
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #6 RS EVIDENCE [sic] #3 RS [cuts] They di
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #7 RS EVIDENCE [sic] #4. RS RS Lack of Er
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #7 RS I must confess this has taken much
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #8 Problems with a global flood #1: Angul
- Ron Stringfellow Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts #9 Problems with a global flood #2: How d
- Ron Stringfellow Worst Ignorant Fool! Was: +quot;Worse Nightmare!+quot; with: Martin Goldb
- To: Kelsey Bjarnason Msg #455, 03Sep93 05:32pm Subject: Flood Evidence [sic] True Facts! D
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- Date: 14 Apr 94 01:01:00 To: All Subject: Re: Theodore W. Rybka Date: 14 Apr 1994 01:01 MS
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- Lawrence C Smith Apr2793 04:48AM Is +quot;Sanity+quot; A Survival Characteristic? I've bee
- Wayne Throop Feb2093 09:29PM : From: magney@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Agney) : MessageID: 1
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- ==* SCICREAPOLOGY TUN Article 24426 of talk.origins: Subject: Re: Does theory of evolution
- Subject: Re: creationism and education Date: 4 Jul 91 15:19:18 GMT In article 1991Jul4.050
- ==* MORRIS SCICRELIE WHITCOMB Article 26281 of talk.origins: Subject: Hey, Morris and Whit
- Science can be viewed as an algorithm: 1. Observe. 2. Hypothesize. 3. Test the hypothesis.
- The following is from +quot;Science at the Bar Causes for Concern+quot; by Larry Laudan, f
- Keith Doyle My tentative hypothesis is that +quot;creation science+quot; is antirational.
- THEM SMARTALECKY SCIENCERS Goldang it, them sciencer folks are goin two far and we ain't g
- Bruce Salem History or Science? So my question, why does the creationist focus on +quot;sc
- All New Scientist bonanza The 30 October 1993 issue of New Scientist has numerous articles
- BLISS : 1 BRAINWASH : 2 BROADHURST : 1 BULLFROG : 1 CHICKEN : 1 CHILDREN
- David Bloomberg Theories. From College Chemistry, 8th Edition, by Henry F. Holtzclaw, Jr.
- To: All Msg #64, Sep0693 12:04PM Subject: Re: Origins and Faith In article 1993Sep5.194244
- +quot;INHERIT THE WIND+quot;: A HOLLYWOOD HISTORY OF THE SCOPES TRIAL David N. Menton St.
- To : All Subj: Scopes trial The mention of the Scopes trial had me look in the transcript
- Scott, Eugenie C. +quot;Creationism lives+quot; Nature 329: 282, 24 September l987. Sir Th
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- To: All Msg #231, Jun1693 12:24PM Subject: Seawater =/= blood, but. Sea water is not blood
- One problem with this argument is the earth is not a closed system. Another is, biological
- +quot;the second law+quot; The second law of thermodynamics is often misquoted eps. in the
- To: All Msg #123, Feb1793 08:47PM Subject: Re: Thermodynamics and Evolution For what it's
- To: All Msg #55, Feb2893 10:43PM Subject: Re: Ted's intent. The problem which most educate
- To : Cavalier Subj: an article I wrote. = Quoting Cavalier to John Brawley = Ca Hello, I'm
- One problem with this argument is the earth is not a closed system. Another is, biological
- To : LANE LESTER Subj: POSITIVE EVIDENCE LANE LESTER to ROB FARGHER on 091894 21:32 re: PO
- To: Joe Morlan 931109 11:02:56 Subject: SELFISH GENES In 1976 Richard Dawkins (Prof of Zoo
- To: All Msg #105, Jan3093 03:37PM Subject: Re: evidence for cumulative selection In my pre
- ' Subroutine CHOOSE ' This routine is called once the user has seen the biomorphs. The sel
- Hmph. Let me see if I can remember the cheezy layman's explanation that is not to be taken
- Number: 241 (Read 0 times) Date: 21 Feb 94 19:07:04 To: All Subject: Test for evolution ::
- }I have heard this assertion a couple of times, and actually find }it rather puzzling just
- To: All Nov0893 11:15AM Subject: Creationist Seminar Yesterday I attended a creationist se
- lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) The experiment which replicated hypothesized atmospheric
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- This occultbased nonsense, where the author has redefined the speed of light to fit his cu
- Author: Robert P.J. Day Title: The Decay of CDecay [Originally appeared in the OASIS Newsl
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- The question of how sexual organisms evolved from asexual ones was recently raised. This i
- To: Jack Brannan Msg #108, 930402 20:11:14 Subject: Re: Helium = Quoting Jack Brannan to C
- Subject: Permo/Triassic quandary O.K. I went back to the library and read the article (fro
- To: John Brawley 931031 21:21:00 Subject: Microspheres JB Would someone please be so kind
- To: Fredric Rhyce Msg #207, 17Sep93 11:11am Subject: Re: Listing Ron Stringfellow's faults
- Its sort of sad when the computer game SimLife provides more rigorous definitions of scien
- Chicago Tribune, 3/31/94 Skull sheds new light on prehumans' evolution New York Times News
- To: All Msg #145, Apr1393 02:33PM Subject: Velikovskyian slapstick Well, since Ted seems s
- To: Jack Brannan 930330 09:37:20 On (28 Mar 93) Jack Brannan wrote to John Brawley. JB JB
- James G. Acker Apr0293 02:20PM Lighter paleomammals Just to show you that Ted Holden occas
- Subject: Biology and creation Topics: }Life is too complex to have happened by chance. }Mu
- To: All Msg #174, 940210 22:%:58 Subject: Good Songs The following are letters from a rece
- I promised an article about fossil sorting; here it is. It is quite long. And it's Andrew
- Micheal Cranford Tom Scharle writes: [ . ] The fossils were hydraulicly (or is it +quot;hy
- To: All Msg #116, Feb1593 10:41AM Subject: New Theory Exposes Great Satanic Scientic Consp
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- To: MAURY MARKOWITZ Re: species Maury Here is another citation to add to your list of spec
- Authors: Chris Stassen (stassen@netcom.uucp), jwm@sun4.uucp (James W. Meritt), Anneliese L
- Scott Faust Speciation Hi, Wes. Have recently been posting a somewhat edited down version
- A LIST OF SPECIATION REFERENCES: Weiberg, James R. Starczak, Victoria R. Jorg, Daniele. Ev
- Subject: Species and creation Topics: }No new species (alternately, +quot;kinds+quot;) are
- ==* NONEWSPECIES SPECIATION SPECIES MERITT From jwm@sun4.jhuapl.edu Tue Feb 25 06:14:08 19
- Joe Morlan 940429 10:%:00 SPECIES. Unfortunately, the concept of what constitutes a +quot;
- COLBY : 1 COMMONANCESTRY : 1 DEGENERATE : 1 DROSOPHILA : 2 FERTILITY : 1 FIXITY
- Author: Joseph E. Boxhorn (jboxhorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) Title: FAQ: Observed Instances of Sp
- There is simply no evidence that speciation occurs as the result of a single point mutatio
- Weiberg, James R.Starczak, Victoria R.Jorg, Daniele. +quot;Evidence for rapid speciation f
- To : Charlie Ray Subj: Evolution Charlie Ray, who thinks tribology is slick, said to: Matt
- To: All Msg #129, May2193 01:22PM Subject: Re: speciation list? In article 120347@bu.edu c
- Arthur T. Manning May1793 07:34PM Creationist statement of faith In the interest of provid
- Stoning non conformists is part of science. Stoning conformists is also part of science. O
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- To: Ron Stringfellow Msg #828, Oct0193 20:00:40 Subject: Archeological rambling Hi Ron, RS
- To : ALL Subj: Biele's authority ARTHUR BIELE to ALL on 091994 00:06 re: TRANSITIONS, PART
- A. Nother Observation Ya know, the recent brouhaha with s.r.c.bs has made me realize a sca
- Article 28265 of talk.origins: Subject: SWAA Lecture Date: 18 Jan 1993 16:25:42 GMT This i
- (continued . Subject: SWAA Lecture Date: 18 Jan 1993 16:25:42 GMT Dobzhansky's review summ
- (continued Subject: SWAA Lecture Date: 18 Jan 1993 16:25:42 GMT There is a political and r
- (continued Subject: SWAA Lecture Date: 18 Jan 1993 16:25:42 GMT Darwinism's rules of reaso
- (continued Subject: SWAA Lecture Date: 18 Jan 1993 16:25:42 GMT Readers familiar with Goul
- To: All May0894 12:01:34 Subject: Swinburne on evolution G'day All: I thought the followin
- === INDEPENDENT BIRTH OF ORGANISMS: === === A SYNOPSIS OF THE THEORY === Copyright 1994 by
- Evolutionary Synthesis What was the value, and influence, of the +quot;evolutionary synthe
- Chris Heiny May2793 06:17AM The t.o Theories FAQ There've been quite a few updates to the
- Marty Leipzig ml Fredric Rice, dying to be a taphonomist, said to : Kim Kelley FR Great. o
- NEEDLESS BIOLOGICAL DIGRESSION There is a phylum of animals called Tartigrades. These anim
- +quot;Taxi!+quot; by David Rice One of the many arguments Creationists make against evolut
- A PROPOSED APPROACH TO TEACHING ORIGINS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AN EFFORT TO RESOLVE THE CREATIO
- 1. +quot;creation science+quot; makes some claims that lie outside the purview of science
- A PROPOSED APPROACH TO TEACHING ORIGINS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AN EFFORT TO RESOLVE THE CREATIO
- Authors Schad W. Institution Institut fur Evolutionsbiologie und Morphologie, Universitat
- To: All Dec1793 12:27PM Subject: Re: INFO ON ICR? In article CI3HuK.ED0@megatest.com, djon
- Rob Derrick posted some information culled from creationist writings about their +quot;the
- TERA Introduction: Once upon a time a professor decided to try to simulate evolution on a
- Evolutionary fact is that species DO evolve from other species and that man and other anim
- CUMULATIVE SELECTION AS A MULTIDISCIPLINE METATHEORY: AN ANALYSIS AND COMPUTER SIMULATION
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- The following is from LA Times TV critic Howard Rosenberg's daily column in the Calendar s
- From : Marty Leipzig If, for no other reason than a rainy Sunday afternoon, I recall someo
- EVOLUTION AS A FACT AND A THEORY version 2.1 (January 22, 1993) When nonbiologists talk ab
- ++ | CONCORDANCE AMONG DIFFERENT RADIOMETRIC DATING METHODS | R +
- To: All, Msg #52, Dec1291 07:22AM Subject: Re: How Could Fish sruvive the Genesis Flood [D
- Marty Leipzig If, for no other reason to educate some and irritate others, follows a mathe
- A Theory of Creation, by Darren M. Forbes BSc. and Jonathan M. Ashley BSc. dmf@aber.ac.uk
- To: all 940422 14:%:00 Subject: THE SCIENTIFIC THEORY OF CREATIONISM #1. The physical univ
- To : Wesley R. Elsberry Subj: Just a Theory RB Evolution is just that +quot;widely accepte
- To : All Subj: NEW THEORY STAY TUNED A new scientific theory that contradicts the widely a
- To : David Rice Received: 15 Oct 94 20:01 Subj: SCICRE FALSIFIED? * On 10071994, David Ric
- Subject: The theory of evolution INTRODUCTION Evolution is one of the most powerful theori
- To: All Mar2294 04:26:36 Subject: Theories and science *Crossposted from the EVOLUTION ech
- To: Raoul Newton Apr3094 17:53:10 Subject: stuff RN BK~ Sure! Make an erroneous assertatio
- What thermodynamics says is that we can only get useful work out of a physical system if w
- From +quot;Science on Trial: The Case for Evolution+quot; by Douglas J. Futuyma, 1983 The
- Thermodynamics FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) o What is Thermodynamics? o What are the F
- From+quot; Tyler A. Wunder To: Steven Stout In a msg of Friday May 28 1993, Steven Stout w
- Micheal Cranford When confronted with considerable evidence that his uninformed claims wer
- Robert Derrick Nov2292 06:18PM Review of Chapter 8. . of Richard Thompson's Mechanistic an
- I realize that Bruce Salem has a longstanding emnity against engineers in creationist posi
- Subject: Tierra V3.11: Evolution of Digital Organisms FollowupTo: talk.origins sys,alt.cyb
- Subject: Synthetic organisms Date: 5 Nov 91 18:03:16 GMT TIERRA UPDATE: (Source release, a
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- To: All Jan1794 09:38AM Subject: Geological/Evolutionary Timeline ASCII VERSION Geological
- Article 27775 of talk.origins: Subject: TIME cover story Date: 27 Dec 1992 23:03:18 GMT La
- To: All Msg #745, Oct1693 00:25:48 Subject: Geologic Timetable Hi All! This was posted in
- The standard for time measurement is NOT a radioactive decay. It is an electronic transiti
- To: All May1094 08:31:14 Subject: The Geological Time Scale What with all this +quot;Young
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- AN INFORMAL REPORT ON A SCANNING ELECTRON MICROSCOPE STUDY OF A HUMANLIKE INCISOR FROM CRE
- The following is a description of the Paluxy River +quot;man track+quot; scene, as compile
- In the hopes of benefitting Jim, lets define some other terms which might help him to unde
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- The fossils mentioned in this list are from species and/or genuses that represent transiti
- From Chris Colby And now, for those of you who are still with me. I have a few comments ab
- Author: Kathleen Hunt (jespah@u.washington.edu) Title: Transitional Fossils FAQ I've recen
- In several animal and plant groups, enough fossils are known to bridge the wide gaps betwe
- Transition from reptiles to mammals: Pelycosaur synapsids classic reptilian skeleton, inte
- To: Joe Morlan 931210 18:57:04 Subject: (speciation == evolution) Transposon is the word r
- Atheists DO NOT state that nonintelligence can make something as complete as man. Your exa
- Loren I. Petrich Jun0793 05:34PM FAQ suggestion: Family Tree I have an idea for a talk.ori
- To: All Msg #360, Sep2193 11:59AM Subject: Tree ring data Here are tree rings for 11,000 y
- In article schumach.752633942@convex.convex.com schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher
- To : RAY SPEAKMON Subj: THE ARK OF NOAH RS Explain why a RStrilobite was found compressed
- Trilobite fossils In article C93ytt.7uH@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (D
- Trotsky, Marxism, Gould, and Evolution by Walt Stumper (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Associa
- Trotsky, Marxism, Gould, and Evolution by Walt Stumper (C) copyright 1991 Missouri Associa
- To: All Dec0993 02:44PM Subject: Re: Quitting the Evolution Debate In article 2e0ef0$2bp@s
- +quot;Not the wrong newsgroup at all. Jurassic Park clearly shows Man [sic] and Dinosaurs
- It seems to me that the theory of evolution is suffering severe setbacks here and may soon
- Turner, Frank M. Review of David C. Lindberg; Ronald L. Numbers (Editors). God and Nature:
- To: All Msg #166, Oct0693 03:30PM Subject: Turtle ancestors identified The Sept 24, 1993 i
- 500 IF PRTFLG=1 THEN OPEN +quot;LPT1:+quot; FOR OUTPUT AS #2 510 IF PRTFLG=2 THEN INPUT +q
- Brett J. Vickers Apr2093 03:11PM Rawlins debunks creationism [typical Creationist quoting
- REALLity Check by David Bloomberg Underhanded Creationist Tactics The Peoria Journal Star
- VELIKOVSKY UPDATEIntroduction It was Immanuel Velikovsky's claim in +quot;Worlds in Collis
- 500 IF PRTFLG=1 THEN OPEN +quot;LPT1:+quot; FOR OUTPUT AS #2 505 IF PRTFLG=2 THEN INPUT +q
- Loren I. Petrich Mar2193 10:12PM AllVegetarian Garden of Eden? I propose this as an additi
- Subject: Cosmos without Gravitation FollowupTo: talk.origins An interesting paper. In Cosm
- Another Velikovsky perspective (long) I am posting this for a friend, John Godowski (godow
- Is there a FAQ on Velikovsky, and how can I get it? There aren't really FAQs as such for t
- Subject: Evidence That Demands a Verdict: section II Date: 12 Feb 92 20:28:24 GMT Evidence
- Subject: Evidence That Demands a Verdict: section I Date: 12 Feb 92 20:13:59 GMT EvidenceT
- In my article on vestigial features, I had promised to omit the animal kingdom, in the exp
- To: All Msg #121, Dec0992 05:20PM Subject: More vestiginal features. Fused bones. These ar
- To: All May2694 20:47:26 Subject: Ask Mr. Science I came across an editorial in Science ma
- SCHOOL BOARD EASES CREATIONISM STAND By Michael Granberry, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
- To: All Msg #135, May2193 04:04PM Subject: Re: News: School board eases creationism stand
- [The following has been reproduced without permission] BOARD IN VISTA ORDERS TEACHING OF C
- [The following appeared on the editorial page of the LA Times of 8/17/93, and is reproduce
- Chicago Tribune, 8/25/93 Creationism gets toehold in class California district orders teac
- To: All Msg #352, 930912 11:25:42 Subject: Letters to Editor Tribune My letter, and that o
- Henling, Lawrence M. May2093 07:08PM Vista Creationists launch attack on science The LA Ti
- Steven Linke I visited the ICR (Imbeciles for Creationism Rhetoric) in person FollowupTo:
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- To: All Nov1693 06:18PM Subject: CRS voting membership Voting members of the Creation Rese
- ' Subroutine VECTORPLOT ' This routine does the screen plot for each biomorph vector as BI
- HA! Creationist Book Titles +quot;Warlock in a Waistcoat: the Truth about Charles Darwin+q
- 1. How could a canopy of water sufficient to cause the flood be held aloft (unless they ha
- Date : 25Apr93 10:42 From : Hector Plasmic To : Rev Ronnie Subject : Water in the ground H
- Area: BIOGENESIS Date: 24 Aug 94 08:16:34 Public To: Salvatore Pallotti Subject: Flood sta
- talk.origins Welcome FAQ V. 1.01 (beta) Written and maintained by Andy Peters (adpeters@bi
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- The Cetacea were thought to be most closely related to the Perissodactyla or the oddtoed u
- In 1990 a late Middle Eocene whale was described with complete (though vestigial) hindlimb
- To: Marty Leipzig 940131 03:%:00 Subject: Whale With Legs MARTY LEIPZIG to ROB FARGHER, 01
- WASHINGTON (UPI) More than 50 million years ago, whales walked on land, says a report in t
- Neal Eldred Posted: 22 Sep 94 10:57 And in 1994, to add to your quote collection, we have
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- Keith Doyle What makes a creationist? 1) Have anyone done a psychological profile of a cre
- Captain Chris' Whiz Bang 1. Darwin (or name your scientist of choice) recanted later in li
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- LIST OF PUBLICATIONS BY ICR FACULTY AND ADVISORS The following table lists all faculty mem
- Authors: Various Title: ICR Whoppers This is a small sampler of creationist whoppers, glea
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- James W. Meritt This is a continuation of my evaluation of Velikovsky's book WorldsInColli
- Sue Bishop and a few others continue to accuse me of ignoring +quot;facts+quot; in these p
- To: All Msg #66, Feb2893 10:06AM Subject: The Wizard of t.o Well, when I have some free ti
- Wesley R. Elsberry 930305 00:12:04 Visit to Woods Hole The library of the Marine Biologica
- To: All Msg #96, Dec1391 01:23AM Subject: Biblical perspective on the age of the world The
- Subject: Re: Goofballs In article 2686@fedfil.UUCP news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes: }Three
- . dogs are really neotenous wolves. Man likes his 'best friend' to be playful and so he br
- In article C8D7uC.4rI@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F.
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